SNATCH OF THE DAY

To Jamie Watson...
Yes when you watch a stream you ARE downloading it! The only difference is that you can watch it as it is being received rather than waiting for it all to be downloaded before you can watch it

To Mike George...
"You pay the BBC a licence fee for " Utter Crap " so why object to paying SKY / Setanta for a product you actually want?”
Wrong! We pay the government a fee because we went out and bought a piece of equipment that can pick up signals that the BBC etc broadcast of there own free will! So in this great free country of ours we are told by our elected peers that if we don’t pay them so they can help out a corporation they're associated with, they can, if they feel the need, lock us up! Whilst they in turn sell off chunks of bandwidth and airtime to the highest bidders making an absolute fortune with no concern over what complete junk that bidder churns out!
Sky just waste that valuable bandwidth by with ever increasing channels churning out the same old repeats week in week out!.. (If Sky stopped repeats, they could fit all their channels into 2!! )
I tried Satanta. 30 mins of listening to a Scotsman slagging down my team while he was commentating on a Spurs v Reading game (slightly out of Scotland’s jurisdiction me thinks!:) was as much as I needed to ring them and tell them to stick their channel!
So, by watching games live online we're robbing SKY / Setanta of their hard earned cash????....
NOW THEY KNOW HOW WE FEEL!!!

By Steve Sturges.. Posted August 23 2009 at 11:36 PM.

Justin.tv rips off content from other providers, and then people here claim it's the leagues and networks that are ripping THEM off. Do people understand the concept of copyrights and intellectual property anymore? You aren't entitled to this stuff for free. No one is.

By AMR.. Posted July 13 2009 at 3:16 PM.

Wow all those poor hungry starving EPL footballers.
How will they survive with a few thousand watching the game online.
It's tragic

By teddy.. Posted May 14 2009 at 6:47 AM.

You pay for your internet connection and that should be it. The big boys want to get fatter and fatter its time they were put on a diet.

By sp8rt1cus.. Posted May 4 2009 at 5:34 PM.

I say good on him, Justin. He does make money from contributions from loyal viewers. I regularly watch games on his site as sky, setanta and ticket prices are too dam dear.

By Nooby.. Posted March 29 2009 at 2:37 PM.

i think it compleatly wrong tht tht fa shold shut these sites down as the football fans in england just want to watch ther team play on the tv and the fa can't be bother to show it on the tv in england but will show it on forigen channels for the people all around the world to veiw but not the citizen's of englan who pay ther taxes and ther tv licence and the subscricption for sky and virgin media.

By jamie watson.. Posted January 29 2009 at 12:12 AM.

The majority in here are not correct in their opinions. I even had several people that stream this content tell me its legal because "its a stream, you are not downloading anything so its not illegal". Tell that to the jury !

By tring.. Posted December 15 2008 at 3:24 PM.

And Justin is NOT P2P, the Justin hardware and software are converting incoming data into different formats, and then BROADCASTING that converted data, in most cases illegally and in violation of the copyrights of others, to thousands of persons.
Yes, a hard fall is coming for that little site, unless they clean up their act and start booting the illegal content as it fires up on their site.
They are NOT a portal, they are NOT merely redirecting users to users, THEY are broadcasting, otherwise, explain to me how 250 people can connect to my HOUSE and watch public domain movies, imopssible, I dont have the bandwidth to serve those people, but Justin does, because HE is performing the acutal broadcast, not me, I am just the original source, and yes, if it were copyrighted, I would be in trouble too.
And as for those that are transmitting US content from cable or satellite sources, BEWARE, that has been a felony with 250,000 fine and ten years in prison for over a year now. Like those that rebroadcast TNT, SPIKE etc...
Thats why I only transmit old public domain movies, I aint goin to no Federal pound me in the butt prison for providing an epsiode of Star Trek TNG to people I dont even know in the first place.
As fo most of the posts here, there's what you THINK should be right, and then there's the actual LAW.

By tring.. Posted December 15 2008 at 3:24 PM.

Well, no matter what anyone says, the leagues are correct, they own the rights and they have the cash, Justin has no cash, and in the end, Justin's disregard to police his own system will lead to it's demise.
Justin is playing a game of trying to get these people (sports, movies etc) on board with "digital tickets", and it will happen, but not from some kid called Justin, instead, they will use existing law, find him in violation, sue, win, get judgements beyond his means to pay, and by default THEY will OWN all he has created, code, software, hardware, etc.
THEN, they will use that to do what he is doing now, with new partners and COSTS, and that will be the end of Justin.TV, there's a reason the content is not being actively policed by Justin, they are taking a gamble, and it's a bad one, he should look internally to his own business advisors that are taking him down this path, they know how it will play out, and they know that Justin will fall hard while THEY will be left to broker the deal to get the assets and expertise from within needed to move forward.
Justin is going to get screwed from within, seen it before, plenty of times.

By tring.. Posted December 15 2008 at 3:23 PM.

i have never watched this site but would love 2. i'm a man u fan with 4 football fanatic kids living in the south, how am i supposed 2 b able 2 afford 2 go 2 games. also i watch every single footie game shown as it is my passion, but times r hard and i can no longer afford all the subscriptions. good on u justintv, it's about time the common mans game was available 4 the common man...or woman in my case lol.

By lisa.. Posted November 29 2008 at 4:05 PM.

If everyone who claims to be a soccer fan went and supported their nearest local side every home game and stopped paying Sky for telly coverage the teams would start evening out in terms of skilled players and you'd see football live every week.

By Glauco.. Posted November 25 2008 at 1:59 PM.

THIS IS STUPID. THE MATCHES ARE BEING SHOWN IN OTHER COUNTRIES AND NOT HERE. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD THE MATCHES ARE BEING PLAYED IN THIS COUNTRY AND YET WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO SEE OUR OWN TEAM. THESE WEBSITES ARE SHOWING YOU HOW MUCH SETANTA AND SKY SPORTS ARE RIPPING PEOPLE OFF. I THINK ALL THE PREMIER LEAGUE MATCHES SHOULD BE ON TV. BUT PAY PER VIEW, SO EVERYBODY IS HAPPY.

By john davies.. Posted November 24 2008 at 12:50 PM.

jeez its taken them some time to cop on. ive been watching live prem matches for at least 4 years now. i only discovered justin tv recently, and i thought the quality of the footy streams was pretty poor. its almost as if they really have got a webcam pointing at a tv showing the match!!!! the author of the article must be a bit of a technophobe because its obvious that the uploaders of the streams use a capture card or something similar to capture the stream.

its a bit like napster and torrents. napster hosted mp3s on their servers, which was accesible by using a standard web browser. justin tv, although not hosting the footage, is still accessed via a standard web browser. torrents are strictly p2p, no file is hosted. various web sites provide links to the torrents which you use your download engine (utorrent etc) to download for you. p2p streaming software such as sopcast,tvu,tvants etc are strictly p2p and there are various websites where you can find links to live sports streams.
i think the days of justin tv streaming poor quality live sports are numbered, but the p2p method is much better, harder for big bro to shut down, and the stream quality and choice are far superior.
i remember when i was a kid, itv or bbc would show at least one live first division match every saturday. when sky came along and stole it, i was very upset. its taken years of waiting till the footie was free again, and i'm loving it.

By pig.. Posted November 14 2008 at 7:00 PM.

Yeah delete Justin.tv, see how many other live streams pop up. 36 pounds for sky 1,2,3,xtra a month? ON YER BIKE!

By Mitch.. Posted November 13 2008 at 7:14 PM.

People can't afford to goto the games! Look at Germany, they have standing sections and you can get a season ticket for around £100 - Crowds would go up dramatically if the FA did the same.

By Chris, mcfc.. Posted November 8 2008 at 7:56 PM.

If you want to watch your team play then get off your backsides & go to the game.

By John Weatherley.. Posted November 8 2008 at 6:55 PM.

I'm a derby fan living in London, and while I can't afford the 50quid travel plus 30 quid ticket to every match... i would happily pay 30 quid a month or 10 quid a game to watch each game live on tv. I don't understand why EVERY game isn't broadcast on a pay per view system. I doesn't make sense as every game is filmed. sort this nonsense out.

By Wixman.. Posted November 8 2008 at 2:16 PM.

JUSTIN.TV WAS A GREAT SITE TO WATCH LIVE FOOTBALL AND WRESTLING SO DON'T SHUT IT DOWN!!!

By wweandtna.niceboard.net.. Posted November 5 2008 at 5:02 PM.

Are you kidding???? justin.tv is getting sued? Like Come on JTV is like the most popular site... its way better then ustream n blogtv n other broadcasting sites... If JTV gets sued and does to close down I'm gonna get really mad i have alot of friends on this site

By JoJo.. Posted November 5 2008 at 4:14 AM.

I live in the USA, used to deal with Setanta for my club paid $6000 a season for games and for England games and FA Cup Final $20 a head.
This was the early 90's, I am afraid it's pure greed.
Keep those websites coming.
Funny thing is everybody hates a Union closed shop, but is it any different to what these TV companies are doing.

By Leekman.. Posted November 4 2008 at 5:44 PM.

I live in the USA, where satellite is the only means of receiving Setanta and Setanta Xtra. Even then, many games are shown on same-day delay or not shown at all. What options are the FA providing for fans across the world to watch the teams they support LIVE??

It's not piracy if there's no other means of viewing it.

By Doug.. Posted November 4 2008 at 3:24 PM.

Every comments on this page seem to imply that the punters are willing to pay for it. So why not make it legal and slap on a subscription charge. I am a ManU fan and I want to watch every game United play. I wouldn't mind paying £15 month for that. If you create a legal site that offers this service, I am sure illegal sites will be gone. So I ask FA and television companies to get their act together...

By Selva.. Posted November 4 2008 at 1:40 PM.

The FA and others, like the music industry don't seem to understand that once something is released, broadcast or whatever, that it is out there, they cannot stop it. They may shut down jtv, but it's a hydra, they cut off one head, 3 more spring up in it's place. The internet is by it's nature decentralized. They cannot stop it. Also, you are talking about buying something that isn't a tangible object. It's not food, or jewelry - you can't touch it, you don't even own it if you buy it. This abstraction makes people wonder why you would want to pay for something that doesn't even exist in the real world. If they were smart, and they aren't, they would run games for free on website with advertising to make revenue. But it is like the music industry, it is greed. How the music industry laughed when suing grandmas and schoolkids over filesharing, and now their business is in the toilet. The FA should have been taking notes.

By corrina.. Posted November 4 2008 at 12:00 AM.

I don't see it as Sky et al losing money - I would happily pay to view the away matches that I cannot get to if only they were made available. The pubs showing these illegal streams are full, so there is a demand. Get it sorted broadcasters.

By Steve Blake.. Posted November 3 2008 at 9:10 PM.

i support liverpool and i think you shud be able to press red on skysports when your team is playing and pay £5 to watch thegame most people cant afford to go to matches every time but they will still earn money.until then ill carry on watching via the streams doing a good job.........

By w.mac.. Posted November 3 2008 at 8:52 PM.

jtv kicks ass its not their fault they show that stuff its the people that broadcast it :(

By chris_TV.. Posted November 3 2008 at 7:44 PM.

I would happily pay a "resonable" fee to watch my premier league team live either on TV or as a stream. Fact is I suscribe to all sky sports channels , I am considering setanta but its expensive for the few games I would be interested in . I get tickets to watch my team when I can , ususally the reduced cup matches only as premier games are too expensive & are always sold out anyway. The FA could make more money if they wanted by legalising the streams or even just broadcast the games on each football clubs own channel ,or web site , the FA & Premier clubs could do with the extra cash. Til then PSP sites please carry on streaming! Its not really free cos I have to pay sky or BT to use the internet , & one of main reasons I have BB is to watch streaming, so they win every which way

By vaughn toulouse.. Posted November 3 2008 at 6:46 PM.

i have both sky and setanta but i still watch on the web if our prices at football matches were the same as europe there would be no need for this kind of site you can not expect everybody to be able to afford 35 pound tickets i went to villa park on wensday night with cheap training day tickets and with parking food drink for me and my son it cost over 80 pound bring prices down then your argument might be valid

By mark kane.. Posted November 3 2008 at 5:29 PM.

I use Jtv religiously and it simply rules i doe have setanta as there is a credit crunch can the f.a lighten up and realise that also wot about the 3:00 kick offs!!!

By Abc Boy 2008.. Posted November 3 2008 at 4:53 PM.

The cameras are rolling and the commentator is doing his stuff, but the live pictures from those 3pm matches get beamed back to virtually every developed country in the world, except for Britain and Ireland!!!

Here in the UK, the ONLY LEGAL WAY to watch English Premiership games is to pay a total of £46 a month to Sky and Setanta, or our pub landlords must cough up between £400 and £2500 (depending on the size of the premises). Check out these price comparisons i've found of TV subscriptions:

SKY NEW ZEALAND Includes 5 sports channels
=$74.12 (£27.16)
FOXTEL AUSTRALIA Includes 5 sports channels =$56.00(£23.49)
DSTV STH AFRICA Includes 13 sports channels =R469(£29.83)
CANALPLUS DENMARK Includes 4 sports channels
=199KR (£21.36)
DIRECTV USA Includes around 20 sports channels
=$42 (£26.28)
CANALPLUS POLAND Includes 2 sports channels =19.50ZT(£8.80)

We are supposedly denied 3pm kick offs on TV to ensure the stadiums are filled, but I would still happily buy my season ticket for Sunderland. What about the away games??? I dont have a choice but NOT to see it legally!! these networks show more matches than Sky and Setanta combined!

By John Rob.. Posted November 3 2008 at 4:17 PM.

The cheek and the arrogance of EFA and sky setanta is unbeliveable.
Here we have a FA selling rights of an english world cup qualifier' so an englishman wanting to watch his team has to pay an Irish company and they have the bare faced cheek to complain when a fan watches it supplied by a usa company free.
Sky and setanta sold the rights to anybody willing to pay and thats why you have no legal right to stop these companies brodcasting on the net, maybe they can stop justin tv but not the tv companies from the arab emirates or china.

By Joe.. Posted November 3 2008 at 3:43 PM.

i think justin.tv is great. we need more sites like this.

By Nils.. Posted November 3 2008 at 2:59 PM.

Who do Sky and Satanta not show ALL pay per view games? I am a Pompey fan and would gladly pay £5 to watch a POMPEY. I wouldn't however pay £9.99 a month to watch the big four and ONE Pompey game.

Most fans would pay a fiver to watch a good quality stream either on TV or the internet. SKY and SATANTA - There's money to be made here!

By POMPSKI!.. Posted November 3 2008 at 12:26 PM.

The F.A are one big joke,i have been using another method over the past couple of years to watch games,i have a set top box with a motorised dish and card share over the net,resulting in crystal clear pics watching on my big 50" tv.serious though if the F.A was to bring out a season ticket just to watch your own team then i would all be up for that,why should we pay to watch teams in our own country and every tom,dick or harry from anywhere else can see it for free,at this moment in time only the top four clubs fans are benifitting from sly and sultana,so the bigwigs stop your ******* moaning and if you want to do anything about it put a wage cap on these over paid prima donners of say £30,000 a week for the prem and so on,at the end of the day football is a job we all would love to do but nearly all of us are in a job we dont really like and get paid peanuts,so pull your fingers out of your backsides and get your own house in order before you start looking at everyone else,well done justin tv. Good luck for birmingham v coventry tonight K.R.O!

By MeanMachine Birmingham Mail Forum.. Posted November 3 2008 at 11:56 AM.

I used to be a season ticket at Arsenal didnt miss a game home or away for 11 years and also attended other games around the country and followed England.But no longer can i afford the prices that are being charged and even if i did i have to join a list of people waiting for a season ticket which could take ten years.Nobody is going to attend games because they cant get in to premier games this has been taken by season ticket holders so the only way to see games now are on sky or setanta and online which is not hurting clubs because these fans cant get into the stadiums no more.Its all a con nowadays with fans being fleeced left right and centre due to players inflated salarys.

By Darren Liney.. Posted November 3 2008 at 9:42 AM.

EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO HAS POSTED A MESSAGE ON THIS TOPIC APPEARS NOT TO KNOW OF THE EU INSPIRED UEFA DIERECTIVE THAT STOPS THE TRANSMISSION OF LIVE MATCHES BETWEEN 2.30 AND 5.15 ON SATURDAY AFTERNOONS IN THE UK. THIS IS A LAW AND THIS IS WHY NO LIVE TV IS SHOWN AT THIS TIME. THIS, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IS DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE PARTICIPATION IN THE GAME AT GRASS ROOTS LEVEL - C 7 MILLION PEOPLE EVERY WEEKEND - IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS THEN LOBBY UEFA OR THE EU - DON'T HAVE A GO AT THE FOOTBALL AUTHORITIES...

By Del.. Posted November 3 2008 at 9:26 AM.

Can't believe what I'm hearing.
in OZ I've got cable - Foxtel - they have the main match but hit the red button you can watch any of the other live matches.
Share the cost with a few mates - don't need to watch on internet - but then thats why I left UK, behind the times and stuck in the past.

By mark teahan.. Posted November 3 2008 at 9:23 AM.

Address the issue not an internet site. British fans are being denied access to their primary sport by a cartel that is not thinking. Fans want to watch football generally, not pay for the "privilege" of watching only clubs deemed successful.

By Get real.. Posted November 3 2008 at 1:07 AM.

Setante is way to dear! Paying £9.99 a month just to watch 1 game every now and then! When i got sky i got sky sports to watch more football and then not long after setante came out! its totally rip off, specially just to watch england games! Personally think all england matches should be free on bbc or itv.... If there a game on ill watch it if its like england game and on a channel i aint got then i will find a stream!

By Gary.. Posted November 3 2008 at 12:15 AM.

Maybe if Sky, Setanta or matchdays weren't so expensive I'd use that. No use fighting the internet, there'll be another site up next week.

By Lork.. Posted November 3 2008 at 12:19 AM.

There are far better streams than justin.tv. this is no different to downloading music "illegally". Nobody is getting hurt by this really. I'm a student and don't have a tv. what would i do without streaming on the net? Everyone should give a pound each to websites like justin.tv so that it can continue. Power to the people!

By dave.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:48 PM.

I watch games on JTV as sky is to damn dear

By paul .. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:31 PM.

As an American who loves the Premier League, I find my options are pretty limited when trying to view PL matches. There is Fox Soccer Channel, but usually they aren't showing the game I want to see, but live streams give me almost ANY game, with only a few seconds delay. I became interested in leagues that I normally only read about. It is pretty obvious this whole thing is about money. The PL is the hottest, wealthiest league on the planet, and they want to keep it that way. To me, it seems odd to keep charging more, while fewer and fewer people can afford it. Here in the US, where the NFL and College Sports are king, we can see anywhere from 5 to 6 games (and your region guarantees that you will see your local team), all live, all free. I don't see why England can't do the same. I've never lived in England, so I dont know how TV works there, but it couldn't be that hard to have live games on free air-waves. I lived in Egypt and was able to watch Champions League matches at bars all over the country. I think it is absurd that my English pals can't even watch their own team play on a weekend in Birmingham. Livesports streams, which allow viewing of ANY sport (not just PL football), all over the world, are the saviours of today's modern sports fan. So what if its eating $6 Million in profits? Do what we do in America. Give free direct access to the masses. Interest will rise, and so will merchandise sales, fan support, and the game as a whole.

By Talon.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:18 PM.

In Italy a few years ago (not sure if they are still doing it) they showed games live, but exclude viewing within 20 miles of the game.

By John.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:11 PM.

Have looked at a couple of websites like these,but to be honest they are bloody useless as it just keeps buffering the video transmission and is completely unwatchable.Rather watch MOTD anytime.

By D3XT3R.. Posted November 2 2008 at 9:35 PM.

To everybody saying "put a wage cap on" "lower the prices of tickets" "get more English players out there", then you have your answer... lower league football. I guarentee you won't find many players on 30k p/w, I guarentee you will be able to afford it, and I guarentee there will be more home grown players.

By Sean T... Posted November 2 2008 at 9:20 PM.

I live less than a mile from Old Trafford yet I can no longer afford to watch Manchester United play. My local side yet because of some money grabbing idiots I am not allowed to go.
They'd rather have businessmen from London and tourists from all corners of the world come to watch United than someone who lives around the corner just because of some extra money.

And the Premier League CAN do something about it.

- Put maximum wages of say £30k a week (possibly less) on players - this would mean much less expenditure for clubs. Also players won't just go to big teams offering more money making the leaue more competitive.
- Maximum of £20 a ticket for 80% of the ground. Cheaper for lower leagues. £15 for aways. Executives can pay whatever.
- Bring back safe standing areas. Could increase capacity, increase atmosphere and allow fans to stand with friends therefore increasing enjoyment of the game and bringing back many people who don't go anymore.

I watch football on the internet because of them. I can't afford to pay the prices they are allowing and can barely afford prices for sky.

Even if salary caps can't be introduced because other countries don't agree, maximum ticket prices CAN be. If teams such as Bayern Munich, Milan, Villareal and whatever can afford to charge fans less than £10 a game then so can we.

Modern day football, especially English, is a joke. God knows what it'll be like in ten years or so.

By manc.. Posted November 2 2008 at 7:08 PM.

Yep its pretty simple, lower prices at grounds, get the public in to see what the strawberry and cream brigade have been watching since the working man stopped going....

By Chris.. Posted November 2 2008 at 7:03 PM.

I have been using JTV for many months now, not just for football but for many other streams. I have a full multiroom subscription for sky and setanta and as such I am paying £72.98 per month for the privilage to watch the premiership and International football. However, until the premiership big wigs decide to give us the opportunity to watch 3 o'clock kick off's on Saturdays, I will continue to watch live streaming on the internet. Lets face it, they can declare war on who ever they want but as they shut one site down, another will open. I do not feel as I am stealing as they do not give me the opportunity to pay for it anyway.

By David Finch.. Posted November 2 2008 at 6:44 PM.

Justin tv will go only to be replaced by jeremy tv, which will be closed down and then john tv .etc. etc..do you get my drift..sorry sky. sultana and the bods at the f.a...you can block the damm in parts but the water will still leak through.

By paul smith.. Posted November 2 2008 at 6:48 PM.

Good luck justin.tv and all the other p2p websites. Its you lot which will save me tomorrow night when I watch the Coventry game.

By Conor.. Posted November 2 2008 at 6:37 PM.

so what if justin tv shows the games. i have a season ticket for sunderland but i cant go to every away game and "the big 4" are constantly hogging sky and setanta, so why not watch it on the net? The FA should be more worried about the garbage performances of referees, especially when a team like sunderland play chelsea or man utd and it seems that every desicion goes there way.

By kieran.. Posted November 2 2008 at 6:15 PM.

Well this is typical of the suits at the F.A so out of touch with the people who support the game, ever increasing prices at football grounds has forced the real fans away its now all about the money. Attandances are not down at the big clubs sky/setanta think they have a licence to print money by putting all the big games on live well just because someone is one step ahead of you you all spit your dummy. when ever i ga abroad for my hols its great you can watch any prem game going why do we have to miss out show you do care Gordon Brown and tell the F.A/SKY and Setanta to get stuffed we have all bailed the banks out (who may i say still owe me bank charges) let us have some fun for once or has this truly become a nanny state. any on know where i can sign a pettition

By paul hart.. Posted November 2 2008 at 5:46 PM.

Have they got nothing better to do then cause such a fuss over a site that shows poor quality streams of a few games a week. Half the time the streams don't show or are to poor of quality to even watch.

If people don't have the money to pay to watch there favorite teams play on sky, setanta etc on there tv's with perfect pictures, then is it so bad for some people to watch a poor quality web cast on a 5 inch monitor.

Its really is pathetic for the FA to launch an attack like this. It just goes to show you how money hungry and greedy they've become.

By BoB.. Posted November 2 2008 at 5:31 PM.

WHY DO SETANTA SHOW MOST LIVERPOOL GAMES BUT BLOCK THIS FOR ENGLAND? MY FRIEND TOLD ME ABOUT THIS AND I DIDN'T BELIEVE IT BUT IT'S TRUE. THE TOURIST BOARD SHOULD PROMOTE THIS BECAUSE I'M GIVING IT SERIOUS THOUGHT

By J Sarvis.. Posted November 2 2008 at 4:53 PM.

Gordon Brown do something please, we've bailed out the banks, do something for the people who really represent this country. It won't cost as much as bailing out the banks...give us our right to watch our teams in England

By J Sarvis.. Posted November 2 2008 at 4:47 PM.

BTW - If you look - there are tens of internet sites showing PL footy, rest of the world footy, in fact all sports.

By Loads of options.. Posted November 2 2008 at 4:13 PM.

The only reason that the Internet Streams exist is that in their greed for even more and more income The FA, Sky and Setanta have sold the rights to show the matches to every country that would cough the money up. as a result the likes of Justin TV are able to provide a service to all the people that have been priced out of going watching or paying the masive monthly fees to Sky and Setanta.
It's here to stay get used to it.

By Big Doug.. Posted November 2 2008 at 4:10 PM.

This is fantastic! I never knew you could do this. I am so gonna be able to watch every sinle game now for free. I think I will cancel my Sky subscription to the football and the Setanta subscription. This is going to be fab! Cheers NOTW - you guys are a great paper!

By Simon Jewson.. Posted November 2 2008 at 4:00 PM.

Having paid the millions to secure the rights the TV companies have to protect their businesses , you pay the BBC a licence fee for " Utter Crap " so why object to paying SKY / Setanta for a product you actually want ? . Alternatively if you only want to watch "your team" buy a season ticket and go to games .I have Sky / Setanta and a season ticket for my Prem team . Stop whinging , pay up and shut up , their is no such thing as a FREE lunch.

By Mike George.. Posted November 2 2008 at 3:40 PM.

im one of those that watch a little justin tv
im a londoner living in canada and football does not even exist here in any serious way.

in truth the matches on justin tv are very very poor quality on a small 4-5 inch box on a website.
i use it like live radio and only look at the screen when a replay of something exciting happens.The commentary is often in a foriegn language too and you have an awful chat option next to the match screen with loads of constant idiotic comments throughout the games.

Its a lot of nothing really,more like a radio commentary with poor pixellated small fuzzy visuals-and thats the whole truth

By dean.. Posted November 2 2008 at 3:36 PM.

i thinks its disgracefull how people from abroad can watch matches from england which are not shown in its own country and peopel from the uk cannot. and all football is about these days is money money for all the football who dont get effected by the credit crunch the dont know whats its like trying to afford the prices of a sky subscription or a match ticket at city arsenal liverpool united chelsea ect.. the love for the game doesnt excist any more is its the love of themoney made from the game !!!!!!

By brian lamb.. Posted November 2 2008 at 3:11 PM.

If the fa didnt rob us with prices we would not need the illegal sites

By john lebrun.. Posted November 2 2008 at 3:07 PM.

Do these bloated idiots really believe that pensioners or the disabled on minimum income can afford to pay £50 plus a month. Oh, of course they don't matter do they? After all, these people are barely human are they, so they don't count.

By Frances.. Posted November 2 2008 at 2:50 PM.

'Is it right that fans outside the UK can watch premiership games live on TV at 3 pm saturday and fans within the UK cannot ??
I would love to have been at Old Trafford yesterday to see my team Hull City but couldn't get a ticket , far too much demand . Why should I be denied the chance to see my team play when somebody in China or Australia can watch them ?'

I could not agree more Andy.

The credit crunch is affecting us all!

By Pete Hornby.. Posted November 2 2008 at 2:04 PM.

Since the Premier League is too expensive for me, I just assume attend games in the lower leagues, Darlington in my case.

By Ken.. Posted November 2 2008 at 1:52 PM.

There is a simple way to stop all sites like these and that's for either Sky/Setanta/Both to show ALL matches LIVE every single day...

Sites like these are created because there is a market out there.

There are so many situations where people can not get to games. These include away days when limited tickets are available, a supporter lives in a different country, not being able to get a home ticket because of sell outs or generally priced out because of ever increasing ticket prices.

Without a site like Justin.tv around many fans would not be able to share the excitement created in our beautiful game every day.

Until something is done about the lack of matches on Sky/Setanta I know that many people will continue to use sites like these. I say well done to Justin.tv and other sites for allowing many more people to watch one of the best sports on this planet.

If the F.A don't like it then sort out the coverge. You want the best for fans then do something instead of threatening legal action.

Give us what we want, give us FOOTBALL..!!!

By Gareth.. Posted November 2 2008 at 1:51 PM.

POWER to the people!!!

By Ivor's tache.. Posted November 2 2008 at 1:50 PM.

It never ceases to amaze me how greedy the few are,according to these so called fans of the game,the money raised by attending the games goes to help develop the teams and stadium around the country,that fine so where does the money go that sky pay to the fa for broadcasting rights,I would like somebody to tell me why can premier games be seen live abroad and not here it is all about greed.When grounds are full every game what is the harm in watching a game for free,people are not hurting anybody except the fat cats who want even more!!!

By mufc fan.. Posted November 2 2008 at 1:47 PM.

Only way to solve this is the digital season ticket. I now live 200 miles away from my club and cannot afford to travel and buy tickets each week. I have sky but do not support the ''big 4''. What other options do i have?

By Ryan.. Posted November 2 2008 at 1:38 PM.

digital season ticket is the way forward .it would help revenue for those club outside the prem.why should the clubs that are in the prem:benefit it would be a big help for the less fortunate clubs outside the prem. i try and go to as many away games as i can. but it cost alot of money to go to every game home and away .thats why people log on to these sites so as they can watch their local team ,not just the premier clubs.i don't mind paying for a digital season ticket if my club gets the money .we can go to most games , most of the times but not all the games all the times . this way both the fans and club are winners

By patrick o'neil.. Posted November 2 2008 at 1:34 PM.

If we were able to watch it on TV in the first place then streams wouldn't be a problem. Most ENGLISH games aren't shown in ENGLAND but in other countries? Thats why streams are so popular, sort that out before moaning about streams. They're doing us a favour!

By Karl Stone.. Posted November 2 2008 at 1:08 PM.

Previously, all you needed to view the Premiership games was Sky. Then, the Premier League said to give more choice to the fans Setanta could have some of the games. This meant that to get the same number of games we had to pay significantly more! Everything in football (from the players to the top people in the FA and Premier League) is about greed and money. These streams are a lifeline to many true fans who have been priced out of football by the greed of clubs and the idiots at the FA and Premier League. I already pay for Sky, which is very expensive so I refuse to pay extra to be ripped off by the likes of Setanta.

By richie.. Posted November 2 2008 at 12:51 PM.

live football in the stadium is always a great day out so attendances will never get effected by showing 3pm sat games. The stadiums are mostly full on sunday games shown on tv so why not saturdays?. pubs would make alot more money too showing legal sat 3pm matches so they would gladly pay a subscription too.

By Andy.. Posted November 2 2008 at 12:56 PM.

Is it right that fans outside the UK can watch premiership games live on TV at 3 pm saturday and fans within the UK cannot ??
I would love to have been at Old Trafford yesterday to see my team Hull City but couldn't get a ticket , far too much demand . Why should I be denied the chance to see my team play when somebody in China or Australia can watch them ?

By Mark.. Posted November 2 2008 at 12:19 PM.

i live in spain and every saturday there are two or three prem matches broadcasted on spanish tv and we dont even have such a thing as a tv licence the revenue the bbc are getting they should at least put our national game on bbc people should snub setanta the best way forward is for people to press the red button on remote and watch their choice of matches at a fee to the tv station

By john .. Posted November 2 2008 at 12:30 PM.

I live in Bermuda and would happily pay for a subscription service from Sky/Setanta/whoever to watch my team...Not one of the big franchises offers this and live streaming video for Sky/Setanta is only available to UK Users...your unwillingness to offer this is the reason streaming sites have evolved and it is costing you money.I for one hope that you fail in whatever legal action you procede with. If you weren't so short-sighted, you wouldn't be in this position.

By Justin.. Posted November 2 2008 at 12:36 PM.

I live in Bermuda and would happily pay for a subscription service from Sky/Setanta/whoever to watch my team...Not one of the big franchises offers this and live streaming video for Sky/Setanta is only available to UK Users...your unwillingness to offer this is the reason streaming sites have evolved and it is costing you money.I for one hope that you fail in whatever legal action you procede with. If you weren't so short-sighted, you wouldn't be in this position.

By Justin.. Posted November 2 2008 at 12:36 PM.

i live in spain and every saturday there are two or three prem matches broadcasted on spanish tv and we dont even have such a thing as a tv licence the revenue the bbc are getting they should at least put our national game on bbc people should snub setanta the best way forward is for people to press the red button on remote and watch their choice of matches at a fee to the tv station

By john banks.. Posted November 2 2008 at 12:46 PM.

fran the man says the english f.a r a bunch of money grabbing muppets i live in spain and i cant get sky or other channels to watch the footie because either not possible to get or i cant afford it justin tv and other streams on net r lifesavers for us footie fans if ur prices wernt so high so that u muppets from the fa can line ur pockets we could afford to have sky and other sports channels so good on u justin tv u have my full backing

By fran the man.. Posted November 2 2008 at 12:12 PM.

I pay for sky sports HD, Setanta and MUTV. But the only way to watch every live game is through one of these streaming web sites. I don't live in Manchester, and have a young family so don't want to spend all day away at football. I'm an arm chair fan who wants to watch my team. I'm more than willing to pay for it. It borders on the ridulous after paying all the subscriptions and a £1300 HD TV, I'm left watching the game on a little PC monitor. It's time things changed and TV season tickets are made available. MUTV should be alound to screen live games. Old Trafford would still be full every week. Even if attendances fell a little. The revenue made from TV season tickets would more than make up for it.
Let's move with the times. The clubs should fight tooth and nail for the rights to do this.

By Rob.. Posted November 2 2008 at 11:43 AM.

Ok it's quite simple. Clubs outside "the big four" are hardly ever on Sky or Setanta (both of which I subscribe to by the way). Some like my team are only on Sky three times before the new year on Sky and not at all on Setanta. The stadiums can never accomodate all of the people that want to go. That's if you can even afford to go. So how else are you supposed to watch and support your team when you don't support a "fashionable" team?
Other countries seem to be able to get every match every week So why can't we have the same?
Sky seem to be able to show 5 or 6 Champions League games on the same night, on the same channel by "pressing the red button" (Games that most people over here couldn't care less about unless an English team is playing). So why the hell can't they do this for our own domestic games? They have 3 sports channels. Surely they could do this easily enough. But no. We who support "lower" teams continually suffer.

By Kevin.. Posted November 2 2008 at 11:31 AM.

Maybe if the greedy gets who try to run football, thought of the fans in the first place, instead of lining their own pockets there would be no need for this in the first place.By splitting up the TV rights under the guise of giving the fans more choice although it actually costs them more,as they now not only have to pay sky but now also have to pay Setanta as well costing the fans more but thats no problem as long as the players and FA earn more in a week then the fans being fleeced earn in a few years

Simple answer put the football back on national TV but we all know this wont happen because the people who run football are just out for themselves and all they can get

By Mad Morris .. Posted November 2 2008 at 11:27 AM.

I've been watching free streams for a couple of years..and my club does'nt seem to be affected by it.Up your F.A..Your just a bunch of greedy ********.I pay my sky subscriptions every monthand would rather watch the game LIVE!!

By gazza.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:42 AM.

there iare 2 simple reasons why there is this so called "problem";

1. The premierleage is too EXPENSIVE to go and watch live.
2. The premierleage is too EXPENSIVE to subscribe to sky or setanta.

good luck to justin.tv and other sites, they are providing so much happiness to so many viewers. if the clubs, fa, sky or premierleague are annoyed by this then REDUCE THE PRICES ON THEIR OVER INFLATED PRODUCT then people might not want to go to such measures.

By John.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:35 AM.

I subscribe to both Sky and Setanta sports and I still watch streaming sites for games not broadcast. How does that fit in? I don't feel cheated.
I was in Scotland last weekend couldn't find a pub showing the Newcastle SUnderland game, went on SkyPLayer but you need a multiroom subscription to watch what live sports you've already paid to watch so Justin.tv saved the day. If the broadcasting people took fans and not their own pockets into consideration this wouln't be an issue.

By Steven.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:35 AM.

the quality is poor but whats the option listen to the radio? am a season ticket holder at sunderland cant afford to go away and watch them yesterday for example 50quid a ticket for chelsea and 40 for a cheap train ticket. all a want to do is watch my team!

By david Oakley.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:25 AM.

The reason that coverage is so good outside of the UK (Take Australia for example, where 9 matches a week are broadcast live) is because we can't go to the games.

If you have live coverage of every game in the EPL on SKY, how many people would actually show up to the games? The atmosphere at grounds is what makes the EPL so great.

People who use streams are stealing, and should be honest and subscribe to their local pay-tv channel to watch the games.

By Michael.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:20 AM.

Its a travesty that games played in the uk by english teams are not shown live to english fans but other fans around the world can see these games live on tv!!!!
fix that before you moan about streaming. You created the market for it in the first place....
why would i stream if I can see it on tv???????????

By Charles.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:08 AM.

i live abroad and this is my life line!!!!...wanted to watch Cardiff last night and my local had Liverpool on and a repeat of the rugby on the other TV...only chance i get to keep up with the footy is this!!!....

I cant even watch Soccer Sat on sky.com now as they made it UK only!!!..and that free anyway?!!

By pabsy.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:07 AM.

They are fighting a losing battle. If somehow they manage to stop justin.tv broadcasting then there are tonnes of alternative streams. Streaming matches wasn't a problem before justin.tv and it won't be afterwards. If they block UK IP addresses then people will just use a proxy. They can't win, they may as well give up and offer comparable subscription services. If I could get a decent stream of similar quality to BT Vision I'd gladly pay 10-15 a month for the privalege.

By dav.. Posted November 2 2008 at 10:04 AM.

There will probably now be a 2-3 year period of legal wranglings between the top nob execs at the PL and any number of streaming sites.

Hopefully at some point during this time, the said execs will actually earn some of their inflated bonuses by realising they could stream the games themselves with good quality and sell folk what they've wanted for about the past 5 years - a digital season ticket.

By Robbie.. Posted November 2 2008 at 9:58 AM.

Someone at work i know comes from GHANA and they can watch all the prem games and ENGLAND games free on there normal tv -so why cant people living in this country watch free too

By chris nelson.. Posted November 2 2008 at 9:57 AM.

I've been saying for the last 5 years that the increased advertising alone more than compensates all those watching these feeds for free. Make the advertisers pay and let the likes of SKY and SETANTA realise that the money lost is pitance to keeping the game alive by allowing the less well off to enjoy a game of football. Without these free feeds the sport is dying and losing suppport right across the board.

By Art Birchell.. Posted November 2 2008 at 9:57 AM.

Ok ,so can sky/setanta put football on live
when its on then so i dont have to watch
these games on 6" screen when i have a 50" screen indoors (small fib)

By mick.. Posted November 2 2008 at 9:54 AM.

Just a short message to let you know that to buy the sky sports and setanta packages it would cost £50 per month, unfortunately my little hotel 45 - 60 hours per week wage have to go on things like bills, food, rent, and keeping my alcoholic wife in Vodka. I would love to go to the pub and watch the games but there is a CREDIT CRUNCH.

By richard anderson.. Posted November 2 2008 at 9:44 AM.

i think Justin.tv should buy the rights to these Premiership games yes the website justin.tv should be 100% free anway other live football websites on saturday afternoons 3pm to watch live football you have to pay for them i think justin.tv should be given a chance ban thoses silly people who ever makes abuse on the website not many people have Sky and Setanta prices they putting on its silly thats why loads of fans go on to justin.tv the website is a big hit

By Lee Penfold.. Posted November 2 2008 at 9:06 AM.

I would buy a digital season ticket to watch all my teams matches. I can no longer afford to go to all games, thats why I had sky ! I usually end up watching via a stream as I support an unfashionable team from outside London.

By knobby kiffer.. Posted November 2 2008 at 9:01 AM.

the problem is these companies arn,t happy making a few million profit they want billions just like bp fleecing it,s customers . i,d buy a season ticket 4 my club so i could watch my team every week i mean how much do sky charge way 2 much and i can,t watch my team week in week out but i can on justin tv

By barry jones.. Posted November 2 2008 at 9:00 AM.

companies rip the working class mans eyes out by taxing us on stuff we all want. football clubs do the same. why not watch it for free? poor tv execs, poor footbal club owners, POOR SPOILT FOOTBALLERS THAT DON'T CARE. watch it for free as often as possible. we deserve this at least. close jtv down, theres plenty more.

By juniorchubbs.. Posted November 2 2008 at 8:51 AM.