
And just weeks later the 15-year-old went back to marry him in secret after converting to Islam the same day.
Her mother Sue only learned of the wedding in a two word text announcing: "I'm married."
Wild child Jolean giggled: "I know it seems pretty strange. Most of my friends were studying for their GCSEs at the time and I was tying the knot in Turkey!"
Now Sue is supporting the runaway bride and says she is "PROUD" of her daughter. "Jolean was so mature for her age-15 going on 25," said the 40-year-old shop manager. "People can condemn me if they like but they don't know Jolean.
"Of course her wedding was a bolt from the blue. But at least she's not on the streets, drinking and taking drugs," added the separated mum-of four who named her 18-year-old son Jack Daniels.
"She's just choosing a different way of life. She's a strong, independent woman. I'm proud of her."
But Jolean is NOT a woman-as the teenager's description of her bizarre wedding to restaurant worker Aytac Aylanc shows.
"Before that day, I'd never even given marriage a thought," she said.
"In the morning I converted to Islam. Aytac didn't insist, he just asked. And I could see how much his religion meant to him and I wanted to learn more about it so I said yes.
"Then in the afternoon we went to the mosque and had a Muslim wedding conducted by an Imam.
"I'd been a bit nervous but while we were doing it, it felt so right. It's normal in his community to marry so young and his parents gave us their blessing.
"Before Aytac, I'd never had a proper relationship with a boy. I knew we'd be together for the rest of our lives."
Now she claims she is a practising Muslim and has left her days of "getting drunk on vodka and cola, being loud and a bit of a bully" far behind her.
Jolean's wedding is recognised by Islam-but not the state. In Turkey, girls as young as 11 or 12 marry this way, in a Muslim ceremony at a mosque with an Iman-but the official age of consent for marriage is 16.
Sue is not worried about her daughter's relationship. "I did think she would be safe with him," she says. "And she'll find her own way in life."
The relationship developed after Jolean returned from a holiday in the Turkish resort of Marmaris.
The youngster, from Cowes on the Isle of Wight, started chatting to Aytac on social networking website Bebo in October 2007 after discovering he worked at a restaurant at the Turkish resort. "Every evening Aytac would be on the computer and we talked about our lives and our feelings-he was very genuine and very sweet," says Jolean. "He even called me a couple of times."
By December they started to talk about meeting up. They took their chance while Jolean's mother was in Australia visiting her brother. Aytac sent Jolean-who was staying with her grandparents-£500 for a plane ticket. When she told her gran and grandad of her plans to go, the worried couple rang her mother.
Sue recalls: "They called me and said 'We don't know what to do.' I didn't even know there was a boy in Turkey. I was fuming but knowing Jolean, if we had banned her from going, we'd wake up one morning and find she had gone anyway. So it was better to let her go. But I was worried."
So the wide-eyed 15-year-old headed to Turkey on her own.
"Aytac is Kurdish and though he comes from a poor background he and his brother have built up a successful business-so he treated me like a princess," she says.
"We stayed in a hotel on the beach and he paid for everything. When I got home I felt like half of me was missing so 28 days later I went back to Turkey." And after just THREE DAYS she married him. "Aytac said it would be difficult for us to be together in his community if we weren't husband and wife," she said. "I knew we had to put our relationship on a firm footing so it seemed the right thing to do.
"One thing I knew for certain-I wasn't going to stay on at school to do my exams."
On April 3, within days of Jolean arriving in Turkey, they went through an Islamic wedding ceremony. Wearing just her hoodie and an old pair of jeans, she exchanged rings with Aytac. It took Jolean two days to summon the courage to text her mother to reveal what she had done. When Sue saw the two words, "I'm married", she didn't believe it. She told us: "I thought it was a joke at first-but then slowly I began to realise it might not be.
"First I asked if there were rings and, when she said yes, I feared the worst so I asked her if she was pregnant-she wasn't.
"When we finally talked, I was so shocked and angry. What would I tell the school? What would happen now?" Sue phoned Cowes High School and explained that her daughter wouldn't be coming back.
"I was angry at her dropping school but I suppose if she wants to get her qualifications one day, she will," said Sue. "I have a lot of faith in her. She seems genuinely happy."
Jolean, now16, insists her life has changed for the better-and that the Islamic religion has given her the discipline and stability she never got at home.
Her dad Malcolm died when she was three and her mother's second marriage broke down. Jolean and her sister Nikita, 20, are named after pop songs and her brother, Fred Perry, 15, after the brand.
"I was really wild when I was a kid," says Jolean, talking about the life she had just nine months ago. "I was out every Friday and Saturday night, hanging out with my friends, getting up to mischief.
"I never actually got in trouble with the police but I don't think I was far off on a few occasions.
"I wore short skirts and low-cut tops, had casual snogs with boys I didn't even fancy. And I was mean and nasty to people because it made me feel better."
As an observant Muslim Jolean has now given up alcohol and pork and has her own English version of the Koran which she studies with Aytac's help.
She stays in their small apartment in Marmaris, cooking and cleaning.
When she visits his family in the nearby village of Icmeler she covers her hair with the hijab, wears traditional Islamic dress, and is learning to speak Kurdish.
"I feel more at peace now-like my life has a meaning and a purpose and I'm part of something bigger than myself," says Jolean.
"Being religious isn't about going to mosque, it's about learning and becoming a wiser, better person and that is what Aytac strives for.
"Even though he is still quite young, he is very mature and he teaches me a lot."
Aytac is angry at any suggestion that he married Jolean to get fasttrack entry into the UK.
"I'm not not that kind of person," he snaps. "My family don't need money. We are in love."
But he adds: "Here there are lots of problems between Turks and Kurds and if we have children they will be safe and comfortable in the UK. In Turkey it's not good."
Jolean says: "I want to come back to the UK too one day so that we can look forward to a secure future. We're not ready for kids yet but we want four - two boys and two girls. I left my family for Aytac and he's prepared to do the same for me."
Before her husband can get his visa, they must marry again in a civil ceremony. So a second wedding in Turkey is planned for September.
"This time all my family will come out and celebrate our marriage with us," said Jolean. "I can't wait-I have grown-up so much in the past year and all I want to do is share my love with those closest to me.
Sue added: "We never got on well when she lived at home, we clashed a lot.
"She always wanted to do things her way and she didn't seem very content-but at least this way we have a relationship.
"All I can do is love and support her-and be there to pick up the pieces if it goes wrong."
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Well to all of you absolute idiots who just think "turks" are here for visas you are sooo wrong ok maybe some of them but it depends if you have picked the right "turk" i have been with my husband for a year and married just over 2 months we are very happy together and we are going through paperwork at this present time for him to live in uk my situation is a little different though i actually have an 8 yr old son so obviously work part time and im claiming housing benefit but when my husband will come here we are well aware i will have to come off of this as they CAN NOT CLAIM BENEFITS!!! if anything they will probably bring more society into this country as they will work very hard and pay taxes like they have all their lives in their country and unless all you negative people that have commented have been to turkey and had a relationship with a turk then you don't know anything about them and they also treat women far better than english men do!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By Emily.. Posted November 16 2009 at 6:45 PM.
good luck to u both. im comim to turkey and im marryin my libyan boyfriend. im comin to marmaris. he was in uk. he worked tomany hours on his visa. n was sent back. its so wrong, wev been together neally 3 years, now i have to go to libya to be together,uk home office dont no what there doing, the bad ones stay n good ones r made to leave. hope u have a wonderful marriage xxxx in also muslim n 22, my ex was kurdish n only wanted a visa.my little girl is 5 years soon. hes a bad kurd. but my stepdads kurdish n very good. hes been married 7 years to my mum. there lookin after my little one why im away. i love her so much. my ex even tryed to kill me. n hes still i uk. no papers n workin. its so wrong. hes so bad n nothins done. please be happy together. tammy wigan,
By tammy daree.. Posted September 28 2009 at 12:47 AM.
I am a Turkish man with an English wife and 2 daughters .
We have lived in both countries and we have not had any problems fitting in each others respective cultures .
Our young Kurdish - English couple are living their lives how nature would of dictated it .
Even if the marriage fails , you can bet none of you have loved someone like this or loved by someone this much .
I wish them happiness and health .
By Eddie.. Posted September 15 2009 at 12:19 AM.
hi first time here but needed to read your comments as i am in same situation with my daughter who is 16. she met him in marmaris last summer an they talk every day via msn or phone. she has been to istanbul 3 times to see himand as just spent 2 months in marmaris with him, me and my husband went over to marmaris for 1 wk to see them and just got back yesterday with our daughter. they want to marry in june when we go over for a family holiday and we are allowing it and my husband s not placid at all but he says he his a smashing lad an he is.the way they are together and how happy they are just makes me cry, they love each other and at the end of the day you just want to make your children happy so i know how joleans mum must have felt, they got engaged on valentines day.
i would like to know what legal requirements are needed for marrying over there, i now you need a certificate of no-impediment but how long does it last for before it runs out and also blood tests are needed is this right? an were do we get them done?
what does he need to do?
could anyone let me know pls, i suppose i will get some slack for this but im used to it back here
By jojo.. Posted April 12 2009 at 7:18 PM.
jo good on ya hope your marriage is a one made in heaven and you and your hubby are happy which i am sure you are i too have started talking to a kurdish man from turkey we sterted typing to each other via facebook it has only been a short while and we feel so much love and like some of the comments on your article i too have been reminded by friends and family about the bad things i did book my holliday to go to turkey and meet him but unlike yourself i have a 7 year old daughter and i needed to keep her safe i really wish i was as brave as you are i have asked him to come to england although i would love to live in turkey with him but when reality kicks in i can not disrupt my daughters life she comes first even before my happiness i asked my turkish man if he will live in england with us he does not want to but he said for me and to be with me and my daughter yes i am so happy and hopefully when my daughter is older and finished school we will all live in turkey i must add i have had many doubts because of the bad stories that have been put in my head and reading your wonderfull article has made me realise to go for it thankyou and i wish yous all the happiness in the world xx
By beverley.. Posted April 10 2009 at 1:30 AM.
some comments on here are so rude and judgemental, all you have read is a short story and everyone is quick to say their piece.
MASHALLAH to you, Good Luck and im pleased you have found love. May Allah make it easy on you, and bless you. You are very brave too.
May you continue to have a good life with your husband InshaAllah.
Much love from you sister in Islam <3
By Soph,17 yr old English convert to Islam.. Posted March 28 2009 at 10:08 PM.
I have nothing against this relationship and i wish them all the happiness in the world but me and my mum visit marmaris on holiday last year for a week in august and the hotel we were staying had Aytec (who went by the name of romeo) working there and he was continuely flirting with me and alot of other girls who were staying at the hotel and he certainly did not act like a married man, if i had agreed to have gone out with him he would of gone, i am happy for them but i do not know if this guy should be trusted as i think he wouldnt think twice about cheating on her.
x
By sophie.. Posted March 24 2009 at 5:32 PM.
to all those out there that have judged her mum her family or her when where you given the right to be god when you are perfect then talk
By wendy .. Posted February 16 2009 at 11:06 PM.
I wish the couple all the best, i am in her situation too at the moment, im turkish 17 and currently 2geva with a 22yr old kurdish hunk :D hu i met on a social network site we have been 2geva for a year now and i am also planning to go over to turkey 2 marry him once i turn 18
it isnt all about visa's for those people hu think that it is.
i understand her decision and at the end of the day she did what she felt was right and people need 2 get over the kurdish turkish split it depends where that kurdish person comes from, the ones in turkey are decent.
all my love xxxxx
By yasemin.. Posted January 30 2009 at 12:46 PM.
OK so there sooooo well off and have a great sucessful business they need to sell there story in a national news paper!! next they will be on the jermery kyle show lol they knew they would get slated, jo and here family dont seem to happy with the comments on here already so why even bother broadcasting it!!! obviously its for the MONEY!!! my mum would be disgusted.
By zoe.. Posted January 25 2009 at 12:32 PM.
Wishing Aytac & Jolean the best!
Inspite of what anyone says, finding true love is rare. And no matter what choise you make in relationships, sacrifices are imminent, age, nationality or religion irrelevant.
Look after eachother and keep smiling.
By LuLu.. Posted January 24 2009 at 10:43 PM.
I hope the best for them ... my hubby is from Turkey & is Turkish/Kurdish mixed - we've been married for almost 10 years & have 2 daughters. :)
By Aynur.. Posted January 24 2009 at 7:17 AM.
Everything sounds good until he said "Here there are lots of problems between Turks and Kurds and if we have children they will be safe and comfortable in the UK. In Turkey its not good".
He definately wants a visa because where he lives its a seaside resort we 0% trouble. There will be no problems facing there children and he knows that. There is no race discrimination in that region and he is poor otherwise why would he live a place with sea and sun?
He is a liar. I know bcoz i'm Kurdish.
By ali.. Posted January 23 2009 at 10:07 PM.
aww ,,, kinda cute :) and i must say Jo has alota guts doin that ,,how many of us can leave behind all we have and know for love ,,,musta been scary ,,im glad u found love and i hope u have a happy life :)
By saif diab .. Posted January 23 2009 at 1:28 PM.
i hope both of them r happy..
if ur a muslim shouldnt u pray so dat she has a woderful life??
i thought muslims were suppose to do dat??
u know pray for others muslims??
By syin16.. Posted January 22 2009 at 5:55 PM.
I dont think they will last long , find someone from interent i dont think so it a good idea anyway lets see . by the way im Kurdish , living in UK
By DAN_UK.. Posted January 22 2009 at 5:13 PM.
i am from poland my boyfriend is kurdish we both congradulting them and hope they have a very happy life
By Krizstina.. Posted January 22 2009 at 1:56 AM.
That Is Terrible.
By Adele.. Posted January 21 2009 at 7:33 PM.
I just give them a few months.
First of all she left her education thats a great mistake. Second she had a religious wedding ( although its banned in Turkey ) maybe for now but she has no legal rights under that circumstances. Her mother is right, growing up in Turkey has advantages but shes from a totally different culture and will have other difficulties.
By Ali İhsan.. Posted January 21 2009 at 11:41 AM.
Jo !!! Oh my god,, it seems so wierd readin this .. Doesnt matter if her parents let her go to turkey, they did whats best for her. she wanted to go live with totti (aytac) i love you both and you are great together .. dont listen 2 wat people say babess.. !!
Good luck in the future darliin,, keep in touch
hunni. :) ill see you soon anyway hopefully :).
ilove yoou xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
By Melissa Kellyy.. Posted January 20 2009 at 4:38 PM.
I went to school with her, and i was in her Media class.
When i heard its all we could talk about.
She just up and left.
Weird stuff.
By Adam Turner.. Posted January 20 2009 at 4:28 PM.
I would just like to say i am married to a kurdish man i am 22 years old and met him wen i was 20. We live together in marmaris and i work for a tour operater. We r both very happy here and i am stoll a christian, i do not cover my head and am accepted by his family. Kurdish/turkish men r not all the same, they dont all just want a visa. And even wen u r married its not that easy to get a uk visa. People presume that because u marry a uk resident u automatically get visa. Wrong they in to consideration everything.
I would also like to say the people who r bad mouthing turks/kurds r the people who have never been turkey and just going of general hear say from magzines such as take a break.
Good luck to the couple in question, and to everyone else stop being so judgemental
By sam.. Posted January 20 2009 at 4:07 PM.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
By Errie .. Posted January 20 2009 at 2:30 PM.
she wont be able to bring him to uk till she is 21 so that kurdish boy doesnt know about that and dreaming about uk. totally wrong what he is doing turning her to muslim and she is only 15 thats not fair. i am muslim as well. it hard to take it on this age
By serkan gurbuz.. Posted January 20 2009 at 9:01 AM.
I know Jo and her mum Sue.. Sue is a great mum and is not to be blamed. If Jos happy - leave her to it, your wasting time writing comments cause she might read them but she'll stay with her husband. Good luck you too :)
x
By charlotte.. Posted January 19 2009 at 9:42 PM.
Grrrr... This is Geting Amusing But Annoying Now, Everyone Repeating What Other People Are Saying. I Am Joleans Brothers Fionce, And Just Wanted To Say, We All Know You Are Both Very Happy, You Should Not Be Defending Your Self, We Can Blatently See You Are Both In Love, Whether You Stay Together, Split Up, Live There Or Here, It Is Your Life. As For The Comments About Joleans Mum, No Parent Is Perfect, Your Not Given A Handbook WhenYou Give Birth, She Has Tried (like Any Other Mum) To Offer And Give All Of Her Children Everything She Can, Every One Makes Mistakes NO ONE Is Perfect, So When a Mother Can Turn Around And Tell The World That She And Her Children Are Perfect,Then We May Start Taking Notice, Untill Then, I Am Gonna Be Enjoying My Holidays To Turkey To Vist Her And Aytac... XD
I Hope You Are Both Happy For The Rest Of Your Lives, Just Enjoy Every Minute Of It
Fay xxxx
By Faii.. Posted January 19 2009 at 10:23 PM.
i know jolean and aytac and they are so happy together for all u non believers i met my husband when i was 15 im now 25 still married and we have just had our second child together it proves that love does exsist and they are not always in it for money or a visa. We go back to turkey every now and then to visit the in laws and they have no intention of coming to the uk. My husband has built up 2 shops with his own money and supports me and the kids with no help from the government. Some people can't believe u can fall in love at an early age but im the proof and so is jolean Congratulations hun xxxxx
By fio.. Posted January 19 2009 at 7:24 PM.
every body is soo childish ..
i no aytac and he is not like that they love each over ... and atleast her mum wants her to have a life
soo evry body stop being oo childish and grow up !!
By katiee x.. Posted January 19 2009 at 7:20 PM.
all i can say is i dont think we should judge people,its easy to do,but you dont know what you'd do in situation,unless you're in it yourself.live and let live!
By sherryl Tomlinson.. Posted January 19 2009 at 7:20 PM.
Just would like to say.. we are mates with Jolean and we used to hang around with her in the mischeif days of binge drinking and hanging around by the 'tin toilets'. i think we have all grown up alot since but its amazing how Jolean has changed. We are really happy for her. I think that unless you knew her before and have met her since you can not really critisise her story. =D x
By Ali & Sarah.. Posted January 19 2009 at 7:36 PM.
I used too speak too them both briefly on bebo and you could just tell the love that they had for each other was something truely special
i realise that alot off ppl have their own opinion on this and think that whats jo has done is stupid, but at the end off they day she has her own heart and mind like many others and no matter what anyone does she will follow it, the only two ppl who can know if this realtionship will work is jo and aytc
I wish them all the luck and best wishes in the world for the future and hope that they live a long and happy life together
U truely have my blessing xxxxx
By claire ahmad.. Posted January 19 2009 at 7:30 PM.
ive known jolean for a few years, long enough to know that what she has done is not 'stupid' or what ever some people have said on here! if shes happy, which she clearly is, then whats the problem? i think people should keep their comments to themselves if they have'nt got anything nice to say. all i can say is congratulations, i hope they are very happy together, they deserve to be :)
By becky.. Posted January 19 2009 at 6:56 PM.
She will regret. That is for sure. This so-called love seems to be a great adventure for her; a hot country, no school, no responsibilities, no troubles with her mom, a guy who pays attention to him, etc. There are so many guys -jocks- like the guy in this article in the mediterranean parts of Turkey. They generally work as a waiter and all they care about is to marry a foreigner to immigrate.
But the problem in this story is HER MOTHER. It is extremely easy to understand that she is not a good mother. How can she talk about BEING HER SO MATURE when she is only fifteen? Someone fifteen is a teenager and almost all of the teenagers had problems with their parents. And a teenager is NOT AN ADULT.
I wish her luck and I hope that she won't regret alot. Pity.
By nissy.. Posted January 19 2009 at 6:47 PM.
Hello yes i am the JOLEAN COX... for all the comments your just repeating the same thing again and again. None of you have put in your mind that this was over a year ago i am not the little 15 year old girl anymore. I was not dragged up I had a great childhood and nothing is to blame on anyone this is a road i have chosen to take for my life. Just because i am not taking the same road as everyone else does in this country, who says it going to go wrong all i can say is time will tell. Also for saying i will be a slave and made to stay at home do you not realise i already have lived in Turkey and all i can say is all you people would love to be living the life i have out there me and Aytac are young but we love one another and nothing anyone can say will change any of this. Slate my mum and my family its not going to do anything we are all very happy and this is old to us its only being made such a big deal now is because its only just been in the paper. Me and Aytac have live together and i have lots of girls-friends where we live and its just the same as being here.
By JOLEAN COX.. Posted January 19 2009 at 6:43 PM.
ill give it 12 months and she will in the news of the world again. i new a hairdresser who moved out there and married. she was not allowed 2 leave the house whilst he worked long hours. came over here. left her after 2 years. she will be back
By glassblower107.. Posted January 19 2009 at 5:49 PM.
i am joleans nan you don,t know jo like we do she is loved by us all she has had a good up brining all ofyou out there with so much to say i can only think what perfect people you must be and have such wonderful children who never put a foot wrong so why is the news always so full about our out of control children . none of you know what is around the next corner we love our jo and always will
By grandmother.. Posted January 19 2009 at 4:29 PM.
But he adds: Here there are lots of problems between Turks and Kurds and if we have children they will be safe and comfortable in the UK. In Turkey its not good.
I am half turk, half kurd..(and if that's the case, I am to have alot of troubles with that, right?!?!?!)
I have never experienced any kind of discrimination in Turkey. That statement is untrue. Turkey had a Kurdish Prime Minister in the past too. I fail to understand his stupid ideas. Oh I do understand, he wants her for a permanent entry to the UK!!
By byu.. Posted January 19 2009 at 4:26 PM.
English people are good at puting TURKISH people down BUT they should look at them selfs. YES i am English and my Husband is Turkish and we are marrid,we do live in turkey and if we was to come to England my Husband would not clam any money from our Govermment becauld they can not clam money. they do have to work and pay tax if they come there.so all you ENGLISH people do not pass judgment on people you do not khow, and as for that girl and her husband let them be happy and lots of luck to you both.
By mrs jayne karaman.. Posted January 19 2009 at 3:51 PM.
I'd just like to say that she is living the dream! A hot country, a hot bod to share nights with. My daughters Leanne Perry, Haytchpy Sooze and Branston Pickkyl are all living out there with their hot bods, tho none of them have converted to Islam. My sons Southan Comfat and Lemonaydh are here in this country but are wanting to go to Thailand and get themselves some fat cows.
By Malibu Stacey.. Posted January 19 2009 at 1:09 PM.
Clearly this girl was lacking love and stability at home.
Her mother should have stepped up and forbid Jolean to leave the country, Jolean could still have begun a relationship with the guy but with her mother´s consent. Her mother should have met Aytac, flying directly over from Australia to Turkey maybe to meet her daughter there.
However mature Jolean seems to be, absconding and getting married over a matter of days or weeks is not something a sensible and mature person does.
Statistically her ´marriage´ is doomed to fail. Here´s hoping her mother is around to support her when that happens.
By Jo M.. Posted January 19 2009 at 8:12 AM.
First of all, we all have to underline something as Aytac did.
"When she visits his family in the nearby village of Icmeler she covers her hair with the hijab, wears traditional Islamic dress, and is learning to speak Kurdish. "
It's obviously clear that not all of the Turks are like that, double plus good, he's not even Turkish, he's Kurdish, and he underlines that makes 5 times in article.
Secondly, the fact and the reason has to be underlined;
"But he adds: Here there are lots of problems between Turks and Kurds and if we have children they will be safe and comfortable in the UK. In Turkey its not good.
Hundreds or thousands said the same, did the same. "Comfortable in the UK"? Why can't they both work and gain money and gave at least the best live to their children? As we read, we all learn Aytac and his brother has a successful work, so that means they have enough money for a normal living.
Double plus good, again, there aren't any single problem between Turks and Kurds.
How do I know?
I live with these people...
What a loser...
By Kevin.. Posted January 19 2009 at 7:14 AM.
I've got only one thing to say: "Time will tell"
By Vanessa.. Posted January 19 2009 at 6:30 AM.
"In Turkey, girls as young as 11 or 12 marry this way, but the official age of consent for marriage is 16." COMPLETELY WRONG! There is no such marriages like 11, 12 years old girls or whatever... And the minimum official age for marriage is 17, but still requires parents and legal offices permission!
By ozgur.. Posted January 19 2009 at 1:39 AM.
Religious marriages are not recognised in Turkey, in fact religious marriage is banned in Turkey, you can only marry officially and conduct civil marriage. Considering that this girl is younger than 18, this guy is going to be in legal trouble in Turkey. Not a very happy future is waiting for them I'm afraid.
By Deniz.. Posted January 19 2009 at 12:10 AM.
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what a pair of losers,they should stay in that country turkey but what are the odds they wont and come here and milk OUR government like the rest of them,disgraceful
By Sam G. Posted January 18 2009 at 1:39 PM.
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Sam G
As being a Turk & living in the UK for the last 10 years I had to reply to your stupid comments. Not every single Turkish person milks your government!
I have been working ever since I came to the UK and have never claimed anything & paid my taxes for all those years.
So I suggest, firstly, you get your facts right before insulting others.
As for the young couple in this story, the boy is using her just to come to the UK, as it is
pathetic to claim that their future children could be in danger just because he is of a Kurdish origin!
People, from Kurdish origin, have become The President, The Prime minister and very successful in their careers, so the boy is using this girl and his origin just an excuse to come to the UK.
She might be in love so I feel sorry for her but his intentions are so clear..
By The Turk.. Posted January 18 2009 at 11:43 PM.
I met jolean and aytach in turkey when i was on holiday. jolean may be young but she is VERY mature for her age and she is well looked after by her husband. she does not work in turkey and he financially supports her!! and as for the benefits.. aytach and his brother own a bar and restaurant y would he want to come here for benefits that he will not be able to recieve, even if he did come here he would have to work and pay tax to england!!!?? they only want to come to england when they have children due to the ongoing troubles in turkey between turkish and kurdish people!! is that not understandable??
I had similar thoughts to all u negative people when i first met them but i know them now and they are not marrying for a visa!! and her mum let her go to turkey as a family friend lives in marmaris!!
By Roxanne.. Posted January 18 2009 at 11:33 PM.
WHAT A SILLY YOUNG GIRL..... YES HE PAID FOR THE TICKET FOR HER TO GO TO TURKEY.... BUT HE IS GOIN TO GET ALOT MORE OUT OV HER BY GAININ A BRITISH VISA .....AND THIS IS A BIG TRICK FOR HIM TO COME TO ENGLAND FIND WORK AND SEND THE MONEY BACK HOME FOR HIS POOR FAMILY ......THE MOTHER IS TO BLAME HERE ...WHY HAVE KIDS IF YOU CANT LOOKAFTA THEM PROPERLY
By natasha.. Posted January 18 2009 at 10:36 PM.
A mother letting her 15year old going ALONE to Turkey to someone she has never met before!!! I call that an unfit mother.
By kate d.. Posted January 18 2009 at 10:43 PM.
Its very nice. I think they are very happy.
By Ali.. Posted January 18 2009 at 8:09 PM.
not all turkish citizens are perfect for marriage, nor uk citizens. but this story seems to have innocence in it. they are surely young, but parents may support them. lets remember its mostly the character that counts for true person to marry, not beauty, wealth, noblesse etc. i know friends having happy marriages with turkish men, lets hope and wish a happy life to this couple and lets help them.
By tr.. Posted January 18 2009 at 8:19 PM.
well what can i say??? a big MISTAKE i just hope she wakes up on time.....
By tania.. Posted January 18 2009 at 8:12 PM.
I say if the girl has found a little bit of love and hapiness at the start of her life good,we live three score year and ten and this is just the start, even if it dont work out.As for these do gooders who as lived a boring life for forty years or more keep your opinions to your self cause yous probably dont know what love is.And to finish off even if the guy came into England to live he would be no differant from all the other foreigners that are living here With may i remind you thoughtless people the gov.coms permission,and you clever tax payers who get away with putting your false tax returns in.So i say them live and lets live.
By selina.. Posted January 18 2009 at 9:43 PM.
hoping it's a real love not false!
By manhem.. Posted January 18 2009 at 9:33 PM.
lucky girl...
By emilyhasett.. Posted January 18 2009 at 9:31 PM.
Congrats ! This is the best good news that i have ever seen and heard nowadays despite of war,drug one day relationship and divorcing after later ....etc.And İf someone becomes Muslim mean best thing happened in the world from south to north and thanks to her mother too n she is quite right.What about other innocents ladies,brothers...
By yakup karatosun.. Posted January 18 2009 at 7:17 PM.
As someone who did marry a Turkish man and live in Turkey with him, I think I can speak from experience.
We hear in the media so many stories of Turkish men who marry British women for a visa and while I cannot deny that it does in fact happen, I can honestly say that it's not always the case. We only hear of the horror stories. How many times do we hear of the success stories? Of the marriages that do succeed? Of the marriages where the husband is with his wife for the simple and plain reason that he loves her? Just because we only hear of the failures and doom and gloom, it doesn't mean there are no successful marriages between Turkish men and British women. It also does not mean that all Turkish men want a visa to Britain. They don't. My own husband is a professor. We've lived all over the world with his work. He has no interest whatsoever in living in England but he so easily could because of his job. Stop judging them based upon the media's biased reporting about the failures. It is entirely possible that Jolean's marriage will work.
Yes, Jolean is young and yes, her marriage may fail but then so do many marriages that take place in Britain where both parties are British. I think we should stop judging her and let her get on with her life. She's not hurting anyone. She sounds happy so where is the harm? We may not want the same life for our own daughters but that doesn't mean she's wrong to have chosen this path.
By Olivia.. Posted January 18 2009 at 7:12 PM.
I am happy for her. At least, now she's in a much more stable, hospitable, very warm and friendly community!
Congratulations! I wish Jolean&Aytac a very beautiful life with lots of joy and happiness!
Turkey, third world country? ha ha ha ha! I bet you never been there..
Nobody cares from where she is, from England or Uganda. Who cares the British passport?!
As i see, there are lots of stupids around here! Have you ever been in Turkey? Ever seen the people there? You didn't visit Turkey never, you didn't read nothing about it, then my friend, you should shut up! Because you are already showing how non-educated you are..
- Marriage with more than one wife is strictly forbidden in Turkey. Forget that "4 wifes" stupidity!
I have never seen such a family in my life here in Turkey!
You don't know nothing. A muslim from Turkey is quite different than a muslim from Iran or S.Arabia. Just like how a christian from UK is different than the one in Zimbabwe with 7 wifes..
By kript0s.. Posted January 18 2009 at 7:23 PM.
I think in a few years time Jolean will be wishing her mother had taken a stand.
By linda.. Posted January 18 2009 at 7:40 PM.
no congratulations
i m from Türkiye. in my opinion this is ridiculous.She's only 15 years old.She is too young.
She must come back England and she need to think about it during 5 years and she still want to this merriage this time she must marry with him
By emin.. Posted January 18 2009 at 7:39 PM.
i love this girl :) she was always missing something and i think she has finally found it im really happy that your happy jo :) and i hope it all works out for you will be coming over to see you soon and meet the lucky aytac. love you xxxxx
By roseanne wickett.. Posted January 18 2009 at 7:34 PM.
A mother letting her 15year old going ALONE to Turkey to someone she has never met before!!! I call that an unfit mother.
By kate d.. Posted January 18 2009 at 7:44 PM.
What she done is brilliant ..cong to her..Islam is the way to live in the life.
By muhhamed.. Posted January 18 2009 at 7:43 PM.
I am very good friends with Jo and Aytac....they are soooooo happy together when i was living in turkey they were such a grown up couple she wasnt even like an 16 yr old girl.., and as long as they are happy together.
By MarmarisGirlLaura.. Posted January 18 2009 at 8:01 PM.
happy married
By savas konya.. Posted January 18 2009 at 6:39 PM.
im glad theyre genuinly happy! jolean is alot smarter than most girls in the uk...quittin school4 NO reason or just not turning up(like i did) at least she had a reason!!...hanging on the streets gettin drunk and causing trouble.....meetin new lads evry weekend....etc. i wish id had a reason 2 change all that and do summet better with my life! they r enjoying themselves...like every other young couple should! she will be much safer there... uk is turnin in2 a horrible country with the knife/gun crime...many young kids killing eachother! aytac wudnt b using her 2 get 2 this country WHO WUD??? i think her mum was gud 2 let her go over and do as she pleased,shes made hell ov a lot betta life ova there than she wud here!
i wish jolean & aytac all the best....hope u r 2getha 4eva and live the happy life u dream ov!!
XX
By ROXY.. Posted January 18 2009 at 7:09 PM.
yes its true that some guys marry for visa for benefit but not all of them in every where in the world there is a bad people and bad people please dont forget it
By Alper.. Posted January 18 2009 at 6:20 PM.
Im a turkish guy i dont think he would use her for his benefits if he wanted to use her he would come over here and get marry here in the title it says he has good business with his brother in turkey if it is true he doesnt need to come over the UK anyway i hope you will be happy rest of your lifes
By Emrah.. Posted January 18 2009 at 6:12 PM.
hey jumbo- ı am from turkey , ı am inviting to you here, maybe you have to see and change your mind...
By adm.. Posted January 18 2009 at 6:18 PM.
i am extremely happy for this girl
shes living my dreamm,
i dnt blame her for converting, i wouldnt personally
but if she felt it was right and felt comfrtable then good for her
why do people judge jus from reading one artical
yu dont know these people & as for them claiming how on earth can eveyone think they will if they do i dont blme them!!
congrats jolean and all the best for the future,
yur story really shows the goood people in turkeyyy && hpefully this dream will come true for me in the near fture
By sammie aldridge.. Posted January 18 2009 at 6:12 PM.
The way things are going in England( a word you don't hear anymore, just the "UK"), she might be better off in Turkey. As for the "mother", she gave up at any pretence of being one!
By Bernadette.. Posted January 18 2009 at 5:43 PM.
Thank you Aytac... i think its true,have a nice life with your wife... we will wait babyy... :) :)
By SinPol.. Posted January 18 2009 at 5:54 PM.
first of all i want to say
CONGATULATIONS
many people in the uk judge all turkish/kurdish people sayin there dirty, after money, sex etc!
but this story is great example of letting all those immature stereotypical people of what good turks there is, but i believe deep down inside i woudnt change religion as i am with a turkish boy also, and if there is trust its worth it,
jolean is living my dream, some day i will be married to a turkish boy, maybe the one who i am with nw, and live other there, yea maybe they do wanna come live in england, but its just the same as people in uk, who wanna live abroad!
all i can say is jolean is living the life! living in a beautful country and sharing it wth the man who she loves! wat more coud she ask for?
By sammie aldridge.. Posted January 18 2009 at 5:50 PM.
this story makes me feel sad......not that the girl has married someone from Turkey, but that a CHILD has been allowed to marry so young...... Children should be allowed to grow up, having fun and making mistakes(to learn from) along the way. marriage & having a family is not playing house, it is real & is hard work at any age let alone 15. what standards as a parent has he mum shown her as she was growing up....... I do hpoe she is really happy & that it does last, so that she does not become another statistic
By sheffield.. Posted January 18 2009 at 6:05 PM.
I am joleans brother, all you lot seem to say is about english visa. do you not hear about all the stabbings and violence in england, she is coming here with her husband so she can study and make a career for herself, nothing about getting a visa. We are not common people at all. you hear about girls running off with guysfrom the net she didnt just run off she let her family no where she was with contact numbers and a close friend in marmaris who was keeping an eye on here. Thanks for all the comments your giving her great publicity.
and she is a very bright girl she has passed college courses she didnt leave without any root for a future she has them behind her all the way for a job... not getting benefits. and she can spell which for alot of you i can say you dont by the looks of things
By JACK DANIELS COX.. Posted January 18 2009 at 6:02 PM.
It is not the worst thing. I wish them all the happiness in the world.
By Irute.. Posted January 18 2009 at 6:02 PM.
So how did a 15year old get on a flight without parental consent? And if her waiter/buisness man is doing so well why do they wanna come her besides the obvious? If her life is so much better after converting, why not stay in her dingy apartment and keep to her faith? 15 is very young to think you have lived life, no doubt she will miss out on oppertunities else where, good luck with your future, i wish you the best of luck. Do us a favour and don't be like the majority of council bummers with his extended family, this country is in a crisis as it is to fund them too.
By Natalie - cambs.. Posted January 18 2009 at 5:58 PM.
i hope her all happiness.
By anilcafe.. Posted January 18 2009 at 4:47 PM.
Lucky girl :)
By Joo.. Posted January 18 2009 at 4:52 PM.
Lots of opinion and judgement - mainly from city dwellers who'll only ever see sand and sea on their 'travels'. This young couple are individuals, he is running a business successfully in a part of the world that is anti him because of his heritage. She has opted out of conforming to stuff she doesn't believe or see sense in. They are running, but they are doing so together. In times when kids her age are on their third or fourth child and boys his age are on benefits or in prison doesn't it somehow make sense? Her mother has given the children an individual awareness and freedom of expression - something this nanny state abhors - people who utilise their own thought process and can carve out a life without crime, grime, poverty and despair. I feel a lot of the contributors to this story are possibly jealous. They are both young enough to recover from any mistakes they might make. In the mean time we should support them and wish for their happy futures
By robert.. Posted January 18 2009 at 4:49 PM.
well, this is a typical holiday romance you could expect to see on the papers. whenever you see a story like this, the young man is a waiter or a peasant and the girl is a student or pensioner (!)from a working class root ( mostly chavs)
i notice that these kind of guys are chasing too young girls or elderly women to impress as they are more vulnerable in feelings. young one is discovering sex and eldery one re-discovering sex. this guy is saying that he's well off. i don't think so, if you look at the house it seems that it's just been built (still iron bars off the roof for a second floor) and it's unlikely that there's a licence for it (he's a kurdish immigrant in the west of turkey)
to be honest, seeing these import thai brides and turkish grooms, i would say that they share the guilt of this non-ethic behavior. Getting married for visa is very common and in 5 years time we'll see this couple on the papers with another story again.
By the_turk.. Posted January 18 2009 at 5:05 PM.
at the age of 15 her mother letting her go to turkey her mum should have been delt with by the english courts for child neglect i blame the mother
By susie.. Posted January 18 2009 at 3:58 PM.
this type of stupidity is to be expected of CHAVS.
By gordon.. Posted January 18 2009 at 3:20 PM.
I'm very happy to see such a young girl do this and wanna tell the others to be Muslim is the best way of life and i beg Allah to give her every happy life those who become Muslim and we are ready to welcome as Muslim is a peace and mercy.
By ali mohamed.. Posted January 18 2009 at 3:34 PM.
granted she may be stupid there are afew things she says that would make us all suspect something's not quite right but as far as turkish all wanting visa'a spnging from the government that's well and truly wrong dont tide evryone with the same brush b'coz after all you cant judge a book by it's cover, i am also quite happily married to a turkish guy i moved out to turkey wen i was only 17(with my parents nad family incase you all judge them) by the age of 18 id met my now husband and in time weve had 2 children we lived together for 4 years in turkey my husband completed his national service and we both returned to the uk with my family again due to losing family members so not bacause my husband wanted to if anything he didnt want to come but didnt want to lose me and his 2 children might i just say weve been together 6 years now both of us work our home is privately rented we get no money from the government we both pay our taxes and cannot get a council house and if we were able to get one wed still have to pay full rent for it so think before u all speak this country is not as easy as u think for people like my husband to afford a 1000 pound for a visa and get anything at all from the government as there visa state that they have no recourse to public funds not like the kosovans that came ere and got everything or the ones who come in from over the calais border on wagon's so untill u know the true story do not judge!!
By dominique yozgat nee holding.. Posted January 18 2009 at 3:40 PM.
First of all: i am married to a turkish guy and we have been together for nearly 10 yrs, married 6. We live in england last 5yrs. My husband has never claimed any benifits at they are not allowed to claim, as stated on his visa!! He hasnt even got a UK passport as he doesnt want one, he always uses his turkish one, no problem.
i hate it when people say bad things about turkish people!! i bet you have never even been to turkey!!!! I wish this girl and her future hubby all the best for the future! It may work out or it may not but then again even english marriages dont work out sometimes.
PLEASE REMEMBER WHEN TURKISH PEOPLE COME HERE ON A SETTLEMENT VISA THEY CAN NOT CLAIM ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO MONEY!!!! They have to find full time work and PAY TAX!!!!!!!!
By GEMMA YILDIRIM.. Posted January 18 2009 at 2:45 PM.
what a pair of losers,they should stay in that country turkey but what are the odds they wont and come here and milk OUR government like the rest of them,disgraceful
By Sam G.. Posted January 18 2009 at 1:39 PM.
who doesn't get annoyed when its plain to see the tactics of these greasy turks, of course there are always some exceptions but too many over the years have come over here, done the time with the 'wife', had a couple of kids (maybe they will get the 4 they want), he will get his full UK status approved and then off he goes. Maybe he will get a job and even pay taxes. But i guarantee She won't but she'll get over it though because there will be a nice council house for her and handouts every month. Another sponger goes into the system.
By richard smith.. Posted January 18 2009 at 1:54 PM.
Im sure he is just using her for benifits however Im glad she feels more at peace after converting.
By Sab.. Posted January 18 2009 at 1:14 PM.
Dave from Sunderland - i havent laughed as much in a long time - hit the nail right on the head!!
By Kev from Boro.. Posted January 18 2009 at 12:28 PM.
I congratulate them for their marriage. Money is nothing and Turkish boys are manly
By Ayesa.. Posted January 18 2009 at 12:14 PM.
yet another sponger for the benefits system. im sick to death of paying taxes to support foriegn scroungers. charity starts at home. Another council house gone to the dogs. Why doesnt this pocksy government start housing the homeless uk bred citizens, and there is many of them out there, than keep housing sponging foreigners. Bout time the flood gates were closed altogether. No more. full stop. Due to the crunch, there aint any jobs anyway, and more are seeking benefits. time they were sent packing.
By c bronson.. Posted January 18 2009 at 11:47 AM.
What a silly immature girl!! who was looking after her while her mum was away? no doubt shell be back in a year with her so called husband claiming benefits and wanting a council house, it would be nice if her local council told her to hop it but i very much doubt it.These girls make my blood boil!!!!
By Adrian Sharp.. Posted January 18 2009 at 11:23 AM.
Silly little girl, give it a few years and she'll come blubbing to England moaning that her husband beat her on a regular basis because, she refused to have sex with his freinds, with a dozen in tow and expect the state to look after her.
Social services have failed again, this shouldn't have been allowed to happen.
By Lorna Wanstall.. Posted January 18 2009 at 11:25 AM.
Good luck to her....nature knows best, not us and our silly birth certificates.
By Tony Quinlan.. Posted January 18 2009 at 11:19 AM.
Good for this girl
I married fairly young to a 'forriner' in a middle eastern country and we are blisfully happy 7 years later.
My husband has never visted the uk and has no intention either.
We have no interference from my family or his,we get on with our lives,pay our way and live a nice life.All the nay sayers of our relationship have had to eat their words now.
If it feels right then do it,life is too short to listen to pompus morons who talk out of their backsides.
Its her life,let her live it.
By claire.. Posted January 18 2009 at 11:00 AM.
Stupid girl. If she wants to ruin her life, it's her choice. Her husband will leave as soon as he's got a visa to live in Britain. Stupid girl and stupid mother.
By Robert Pollard.. Posted January 18 2009 at 10:56 AM.
"Jolean, now16, insists her life has changed for the betterand that the Islamic religion has given her the discipline and stability she never got at home."
Notice to all easy going parents. Routine and discipline is what children need to feel safe.
By Jackie.. Posted January 18 2009 at 10:47 AM.
dont all knock her so soon my children coca cola and snickers both live happily in turkey with fifteen kids between them .............pmsl
By marks1305.. Posted January 18 2009 at 10:35 AM.
It sounds like she now has a stable life with clear rules - something her mother hasn't given her.
By Hannah.. Posted January 18 2009 at 10:23 AM.
Jumbo - since when has Turkey been a third world country!!!!!
Have you actually ever been to Turkey?
By Natalie.. Posted January 18 2009 at 10:11 AM.